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What caused salmon deaths?
Siskiyou Daily News (excerpted) ^ | February 16, 2003 | Barry Clausen

Posted on 02/17/2003 7:00:55 PM PST by marsh2

"According to the Del Norte Sheriff's Department, the Humboldt County Sheriff's Department and Larry Hand of the California Conservation Corps (CCC), a CCC crew run by John Buttons discovered several large glass flasks used for cooking methamphetamine on Ohpah Creek, a tributary of the Klamath River just 21 miles from the mouth of the river. The flasks were found in the summer of 2002 and were left on Simpson Timber Company land above the Ohpah Creek Ranch. It now turns out the flasks were part of what is known as a "meth dump." That is where the unused residue and cooking utensils from labs are discarded. A Humboldt County Sheriff's Department official used a recent dumpsite at Colusa, to explain, "Mexican nationals had dumped their old chemicals and supplies into an irrigation canal."

What caused salmon deaths?

The Klamath Basin issue on the California-Oregon border, where water was held back from more than 1,400 farmers and ranchers in 2001, made national news.

The water had been shut off when a court ruling based on the Endangered Species Act (ESA) forced farmers and ranchers to do without their irrigation water to protect sucker fish and threatened coho salmon. The water was eventually restored in 2002 after it was determined that the shutoff was unnecessary due to "insufficient scientific data as determined by the National Academy of Science." This region was left in economic chaos as families and their way of life have been forever impacted.

Many environmental organizations were enraged when, on March 28, 2002, the water was once again flowing for agriculture use. Some of these same organizations had been responsible for the water having being kept from the area to begin with. Those groups include, Glen Spain of the Pacific Coast Federation of Fishermen's Associations (PCFFA), Oregon Natural Resources Council, Wilderness Society (of which California's Democratic U.S. Sen. Dianne Feinstein's husband Richard Blum is on the "2001 Governing Council"), Northcoast Environmental Center, Sierra Club, Golden Gate Audubon, Institute for Fisheries Resources and known radical Felice Pace of the Klamath Forest Alliance.

In California's Del Norte County, near the mouth of the Klamath River, lies the fishing town of Crescent City. Most fishermen interviewed for this story stated that they are not blaming farmers and ranchers for the fish kill. In fact, those interviewed are supportive of the farmers and ranchers. They did however express anger towards Glen Spain and PCFFA for claiming to represent them in this or any issue. Spain has apparently used the names of other fishing organizations without permission in an effort to further his reputation within some environmental organizations. Jon Brunsing, Del Norte Fishermen's Marketing Association, stated in a May 29, 2001, letter, "We are no way affiliated with the PCFFA or spokesperson Spain. It has been brought to our attention that the PCFFA is using our name on their logo and we have asked them to remove it."

On Sept. 19, 2002, out of an estimated 100,000 salmon, approximately 33,000 salmon died and were discovered within the first 20 miles of the lower Klamath River. Some environmentalists and Native Americans blamed the Klamath Basin farmers and ranchers. Others blamed government entities for restoring the water while still others claim the fish were deliberately poisoned.

While allegations and rumors have run wild with regard to the 33,000 dead fish, it is ultimately the responsibly of the California Department of Fish and Game (DFG) and/or the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service to investigate such incidences, use only accurate data, scientific evidence and report those findings. Unfortunately, we have not seen that happen.

A good example of inaccurate "scientific data" and incorrect reports relevant to this issue surfaced during the Klamath Basin crisis. Jennifer Ludlow, research engineer of the Institute for Natural Systems Engineering, Utah Water Research Laboratory at Utah State University was a presenter at the Klamath Basin Fish and Water Management Symposium held at Humboldt State University in Arcata on May 21, 2001. Ludlow's presentation centered on impacts to coho salmon as it related directly to river flow activity. She stated during an interview immediately following the symposium that she was the person in charge of compiling data for Dr. Tom Hardy of Utah State University, author of the "Hardy Flow Report."

When questioned specifically about the Hardy Flow Report, Ludlow stated, "There were problems. We used some incorrect data and that is being looked at now." When asked, if this data was sufficient to change the substance of the report, Ludlow responded, "Yes, it very well could." Ludlow went on to state that the report might be available within two weeks but that the study itself would not be made available to the public. When Ludlow was asked about the reasoning for this, she stated, "We have to turn it over to the justice department."

On May 29, 2001, Hardy himself arranged a conference call between his office, myself and Doug Tedrick of the Bureau of Indian Affairs (BIA) in Washington, D.C. Tedrick works in conjunction with Secretary of Interior Gale Norton to coordinate Hardy's efforts on the river flow/coho issue. Nothing was accomplished as a result of the call.

Nearly a year to the day later on Mach 28, 2002, a ceremony was held in Klamath Falls, where Secretary of the Interior Norton herself opened the headgates to restore the water. In tow with Norton were Secretary of Agriculture Ann Veneman, Oregon's Sen. Gordon Smith, a Republican, and Tedrick. When confronted about Ludlow's statements at that time Tedrick confirmed them saying, "Apparently, she misunderstood your question. Yes, there was inaccurate data used in the report -- but it was not our data."

California Fish and Game report

DFG issued a "preliminary analysis" of the fish kill released on Jan. 3, 2003, which sites low, warm water as the cause of "gill rot" in the dead fish.

The DFG report also states, "Soon after the fish kill manifested itself, claims were made that toxic substances may have been the cause. The North Coast Regional Water Quality Control Board Staff collected samples from five locations on Sept. 26, 2002, to determine if any toxic substances were present at concentrations toxic to fish. These scans test for a broad spectrum of organic compounds including organochlorine pesticides, PCBs, and Glyphosate."

According to the DFG report, the fish started dying on Sept. 19, 2002, and the water samples were taken on Sept. 26, 2002. The samples were taken seven days after the discovery of the dead fish. The question arises -- would concentrations of chemicals still be present in the alleged test areas after this length of time.

Sarah Foster of Worldnetdaily interviewed biologist David Vogel. Vogel worked for 14 years at the Fishery Research and Fishery Resources Divisions of the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service before starting his own environmental consulting firm, Natural Resources Scientists, in 1990 and is sharply critical of the report -- not only its conclusions, but also its methodology. He said he has not prepared a point-by-point analysis and rebuttal, but will do so in the near future. Vogel said he was "shocked" and "astounded" at the department's conclusion that the fish kill was due to insufficient water.

"Let me put it this way -- if it is (the cause), you certainly can't use Fish and Game's report to make that conclusion," said Vogel, adding that the most "striking feature" of the report is that "the Department of Fish and Game is building a strong case for its lack of scientific objectivity."

Native American concerns

One of the major concerns by the Hoopa Tribe is the fact that the U.S. government, Bureau of Reclamation (BOR), is and has been diverting as much as 90 percent of the Trinity River water to the Sacramento River. This water would usually flow into the Klamath at Weitchpec, but instead is being diverted and utilized in the Central Basin of California.

According to Tom Patton a hydraulic engineer for the BOR, the percentage of water being released from the Trinity Reservoir and diverted to the Sacramento was 73 percent during the fish kill. Government officials assured Hoppa tribal members that the amount released would be 50 percent.

They and numerous others believe that amount would ensure the spawning chinook and coho salmon would receive enough cooler water to survive.

One person concerned about the Trinity River water usage is U.S. Forest Service wildlife biologist Tony Hacking from Orleans. While expressing his views he was critical of the large amount of water the government drains from Trinity Lake into the Sacramento. Hocking stated, "The water pumped from the Trinity never gets talked about."

Hoopa native Duane J. Sherman monitors Native American fishing rights, the Trinity River diversion, water levels, water temperature and now the death of the 33,000 fish. Sherman served as a tribal council chairman for a short time at the age of 28. Tribal elders challenged his youthful ideas and outspoken views, which resulted in the end of his chairmanship. However, his credentials are a tribute to his tenacity and goals. Sherman was a corrections officer for the Humboldt County Sheriff's Department, worked as a tribal police officer and was the youngest member of the tribe to serve as a tribal council member for four years at the age of 21. He currently attends Humboldt State University and is working on his masters in sociology and intends to obtain a law degree.

When asked if the fish would have died if the Trinity River diversion water had been flowing in the river, Sherman stated, "The Trinity is 15 degrees colder than the Klamath and if the Trinity had been flowing as we were promised, the fish would not have died." When asked if he blamed farmers and ranchers he responded with, "No -- but something different needs to be done and soon."

Danielle Vigil-Masten, administrative assistant to the Hoopa Valley Tribal Council, echoed Sherman's words and agreed with his statement that the fish would not have died. Other tribal members also expressed this sentiment.

Native American Donald D. Valenzuela, a Yurok and tribal manger of the Resighini Rancheria in Klamath, blames the farmers, ranchers and George W. Bush for using some of the water for crops. The t-shirt he wears says, "Bush Kills. Over 10,000 Dead Salmon." When asked about the government's diversion of the Trinity River water to the Sacramento River, Valenzuela shrugged it off as being insignificant.

Contaminated water and drugs

The DFG report states, "No substances were found at concentrations toxic to fish and therefore, were not a factor in the 2002 fish kill." However, that may not be the case. According to the Del Norte Sheriff's Department, the Humboldt County Sheriff's Department and Larry Hand of the California Conservation Corps (CCC), a CCC crew run by John Buttons discovered several large glass flasks used for cooking methamphetamine on Ohpah Creek, a tributary of the Klamath River just 21 miles from the mouth of the river. The flasks were found in the summer of 2002 and were left on Simpson Timber Company land above the Ohpah Creek Ranch. It now turns out the flasks were part of what is known as a "meth dump." That is where the unused residue and cooking utensils from labs are discarded. A Humboldt County Sheriff's Department official used a recent dumpsite at Colusa, to explain, "Mexican nationals had dumped their old chemicals and supplies into an irrigation canal."

Many law enforcement officers confirm massive environmental damage has occurred at marijuana growing locations, including on the Shasta River. Detective Mark Merrill of the Siskiyou County Sheriff's Department explained that marijuana growers use such compounds as rat poison, insecticides and pesticides to kill unwanted animals that penetrate their operations.

Shasta County Sgt. Tim McDonald and numerous other law enforcement officials confirmed Merrill's statement. All emphasizing that, "The chemicals end up in creeks and watersheds," which ultimately ends up in rivers such as the Klamath. In addition there are months of human waste, paper, food cans, propane canisters, food wrappers as well as other forms of garbage that are found strewn about.

According to the Drug Enforcement Division of the Kansas Bureau of Investigations, such items as, common cold tablets containing, ephedrine or pseudoephedine, acetone, alcohol (isopropyl or rubbing), toluene, engine starter (either), drain cleaner, (sulfuric acid), Heet (methanol/alcohol), table salt, car batteries (Lithium), sodium methyl, propane tanks (Anhydrous ammonia), Red Devil Lye (Sodium Hydroxide), matches (red and yellow phosphorus), muradic acid, hydrochloric acid, phosphine, iodine, acetone, freon, hexane, white gas, laundry soap and diesel fuel are all used in the production of meth. The chemicals are then cooked in such items as Pyrex dishes or large glass flasks like the ones found on Ohpah Creek. Coffee filters are then use to filter the items cooked.

Several members of the DFG stated they were familiar with the chemicals listed and stated, "Of course they could kill fish. The fish did have gill rot, but there is the possibility they may have survived. If there was any of these chemicals in the river at any level, it would have stressed the fish and yes, it could have been a factor in the kill."

When asked, J. Scott Foott of DFG, the specimen examiner who did the pathology report of the dead fish, agreed that if there were chemicals in the water at any level it could have been a factor in the kill. He also stated, "It depends how badly they were infected. Yes they may have survived." He also emphasized that, "The water temperatures were similar to other years -- there was a series of contributing factors."

All law enforcement offices interviewed have stated there is a serious problem with drug activities, however as a result of insufficient funding and manpower it is impossible to do the necessary work. With California Gov. Davis' $34.6 billion deficit, his new budget cuts and hiring freezes, law enforcement statewide (to the delight of drug producers) have had additional cuts in drug enforcement money.

According to Siskiyou County Sheriff Rick Riggins, they don't yet know what the budget impact will have on his department or drug enforcement efforts. "There are several positions here that depend on state funding and we won't know until March exactly what will happen," Riggins said.

Two persons interviewed claimed there are five meth labs between Weitchpec and the river mouth. One of the labs is known to both civilian and law enforcement as the "Crystal Palace." When asked, one Siskiyou County law enforcement official said, "If the truth were know, there are probably 50 labs." A member of the Humboldt County Drug Task Force said, "We know there are numerous marijuana gardens along the lower Klamath but we are unable to do anything because of lack of cooperation from locals and because of finances." The entire 41 miles of river between Weitchpec and the river mouth has no roads and is completely isolated from any civilization.

There are dozens of documented cases of Mexican and Asian drug cartels using remote areas to both grow marijuana, and manufacture meth. These cases include the Klamath River area. This has resulted in concerns for the safety of all users; either national forests and/or Bureau of Land Management lands or those who simply explore for recreation. All of these activities have been intensely compromised by these organized criminal drug activities. Shasta Interagency Narcotics Task Force Commander Russ Reeves (retired) refers to the groups involved in growing operations as "cells" because he says, "Many of these foreigners that work the fields, are so low in the scheme of things they do not even know who they work for." He further stated that much of the money obtained from marijuana growing is used to finance illegal meth operations. Reeves went on to say, "These same meth producers then ship their product to other states. We have been successful in tracking some of that."

John Martinez, until recently, was employed by the Karuk Tribe in Happy Camp for nearly four years. Martinez has tried to expose those who have taken to illegal activities on and off tribal lands. He has successfully documented information about such illegal activities on the Klamath River but when he and others have spoken up they found themselves without help from anyone. According to Martinez, they have been the victims of character assassinations, death threats, gunshots at homes and threats of being set up. "I feel that if I did not leave my job immediately I would further jeopardize my safety and those close to me," Martinez stated. "I believe my safety is still in danger for having exposed potential illegal drug-related activities."

Several community leaders and teachers along the Klamath River have confirmed the upswing in drug usage within their communities. On several occasions these same people have gone to the Karuk Tribal Council and asked for help. Some have contacted council members personally, only to find the help they were seeking, not available. Some claim they have traveled to Medford, Ore., to meet with federal authorities -- once again they discovered their efforts have been in vain. According to Gary Lake, a Karuk Tribal councilman, community leaders and residents have come to the council and ask for help on drug related issues.

Lake stated, "As a private citizen I report it to law enforcement myself and nothing has been done." Lake confirmed much of what Martinez had previously stated. He also said, "I have been threatened many, many times myself."

All of this raises a big question. Could the illegal marijuana and meth producers dumping chemicals, poisons and waste above the fish kill into creeks, watersheds and river be accountable for the dead fish or at least have magnified the impact of the gill rot?

Public safety

A law enforcement official from the Del Norte Sheriff's Department stated, "There have been armed boats traveling up and down the river (Klamath), but we have not been able to determine why." Deputies from across Northern California, California Highway Patrol and U.S. Forest Service Law Enforcement Agents are quick to affirm the danger. Forest Service Law Enforcement Officer Michael Irvine of Fort Jones underscored his concerns and pointed to organized crime who he feels are responsible for the risks the general public now face when visiting public lands. California Highway Patrol Officer Keith Ericson echoed the words of Irvine when he said, "The danger on public lands is a very big concern as a result of marijuana grow operations." According to Darrell Plemons, chief of operations for the Tehama County Sheriff's Office, "The situation (drug activity) has increased over the last few years to a dangerous epidemic."

Conclusion

Many environmental extremists, government entities and some members of the press tell the American public that salmon populations are declining. What they fail to mention is that this fish kill took place during the third largest fall chinook salmon run ever recorded.

These same environmental groups and their financial backers with huge bankrolls continue to use national media to further their social and political objectives at the cost of rural American farming and ranching families. In addition, information is now surfacing that proves some of the marijuana operations on the Salmon River in Northern California are linked to individuals attached to so-called environmental organizations. The Salmon River also flows into the Klamath River near the town of Happy Camp.

It is understood that both the DFG report and this story fail to establish what actually led to the fish kill. However, the chemical allegations have undeniable merit.

While someone from the California Department of Fish and Game has given a "preliminary analysis" of the fish kill and national media creates the illusion that farmers and ranchers in the Klamath Basin are to blame for the deaths of these fish. Journalists who likely have not visited the area, have also failed to bother to entertain other possibilities?

Barry R. Clausen has been a contributing writer for many news outlets, including, Range Magazine and the Siskiyou Daily News. Clausen has been featured on major television news shows including several appearances on FOX News. He has written two books on ecoterrorism and has been featured on many television shows and in hundreds of news articles. He can be reached at (530) 241 4884 or at swatch@cwnet.com.
 


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Extended News; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: DRUGS; FISHKILL; KLAMATH; KLAMATHBASINCRISIS; KLAMATHLIST; MARIJUANA; METH; SALMON; TRIBES
Amen
 
1 posted on 02/17/2003 7:00:55 PM PST by marsh2

To: marsh2; Carry_Okie; Phil V.; Grampa Dave; farmfriend
They left out Friends of the River in their list of extremist EnvironMentalist groups! Why!!!
 
2 posted on 02/17/2003 7:06:37 PM PST by SierraWasp (Snap Out Of It, CA!!! Be Courageous! It's Contageous! Zap Zany Gray!!!)

To: marsh2
What they fail to mention is that this fish kill took place during the third largest fall chinook salmon run ever recorded.

Help me here. Though 30,000 fish died while still downstream, was this run still one of the largest recorded runs? - Was there a healthy return in spite of the loss?
 

3 posted on 02/17/2003 7:09:32 PM PST by HairOfTheDog

To: *Klamath_List
4 posted on 02/17/2003 7:10:55 PM PST by Libertarianize the GOP (Ideas have consequences)

To: marsh2
Bumping & Pinging again for enlightend opinion and even some answers from those in "the know!"

The guy with the T-Shirt and CA Fish & Game make it pretty obvious the political attack on the Bush Administration was merely disgusting political opportunism to the MAX!!!

Funny how the commercial whitewater rafting industry and their supposed non-profit front group, "Friends of the River" never got mentioned when I saw them specifically mentioned in other articles about this controversy! Both in 2002 and 2001!!!
 

5 posted on 02/17/2003 7:25:58 PM PST by SierraWasp (Snap Out Of It, CA!!! Be Courageous! It's Contageous! Zap Zany Gray!!!)

To: marsh2
The fish are one of the points of a "report" being sent out to anti-Bush (pro-abortion, pro-any-thing-but-abstinence groups:

http://www.arhp.org/signon/science.cfm

"Preserving the Core Values I Science"

""Evidence-based, peer-reviewed science has served as a respected "gold standard" for policy-making. As the examples below indicate, it increasingly appears that, under the current administration, ideology and not science is driving what ought to be objective, scientific processes.



_________________________
Biologist ordered to rewrite his scientific opinion on water needs of endangered salmon

Michael Kelly, a biologist with the National Marine Fisheries Service, led the team changed with protecting endangered coho salmon in California and Oregon's Klamath River. Regional water managers must balance the water needs of the federally protected salmon with those of local farmers. This past spring, Kelly's team reviewed the ten-year plan put forth by the water's managers-the Bureau of Reclamation-and concluded that the plan did not provide enough water for the fish. The Justice Department ordered Kelly to revise his conclusions. His second report reached the same conclusion, with additional scientific and legal analysis. The Bureau of Reclamation rejected his report and backed an alternative plan that diverted more water for agriculture. Later in the summer, with low water flows, more than 30,000 fish, or one-quarter of that year's run, died. ""
 
6 posted on 02/17/2003 7:26:09 PM PST by hocndoc (Choice is the # 1 killer in the US.)

To: hocndoc
Hey! Didn't you see all the phony stories trying to glorify this guy as some kind of legitimate "whistle blower?" Every time you check these stories out, one finds that the story was supplied to the media by some insatiable EnvironMental group and the media people were too lazy to check out the efficacy of the story, much less do their own legwork!!!
 
7 posted on 02/17/2003 7:33:54 PM PST by SierraWasp (Snap Out Of It, CA!!! Be Courageous! It's Contageous! Zap Zany Gray!!!)

To: hocndoc; marsh2; dixiechick2000; Helen; Mama_Bear; poet; Grampa Dave; doug from upland; ...
Klamath list plus.
 
8 posted on 02/17/2003 7:45:37 PM PST by farmfriend ( Isaiah 55:10,11)

To: farmfriend; Jeff Head
Special ping.
 
9 posted on 02/17/2003 7:51:40 PM PST by farmfriend ( Isaiah 55:10,11)

To: farmfriend
How 'bout them Gore votin Injuns an their fallacious T-Shirts? Reminds me of the one that had his net runnin clear cross the mouth of the Klamath hooked to his Ford Tractor pullin Salmon out till it pertnear flattened the tires of his long-wide-bed pickem up truck!!!

Another "Special Rights Group! Sovereignty my differential!!!
 

10 posted on 02/17/2003 7:56:45 PM PST by SierraWasp (Snap Out Of It, CA!!! Be Courageous! It's Contageous! Zap Zany Gray!!!)

To: HairOfTheDog
Was there a healthy return in spite of the loss?

Yes.
 

11 posted on 02/17/2003 7:57:43 PM PST by Carry_Okie (The environment is too complex and too important to be managed by politics.)

To: farmfriend
A Humboldt County Sheriff's Department official used a recent dumpsite at Colusa, to explain, "Mexican nationals had dumped their old chemicals and supplies into an irrigation canal."

What's this? The Humboldt County Sheriff's Department is blaming Mexican nationals? This is politically incorrect! Dammit Leave these poor illegal aliens alone! Let them do the job that Americans don't want to do.
 

12 posted on 02/17/2003 7:58:28 PM PST by B4Ranch (A Fine is a Tax for doing Wrong. A Tax is a Fine for doing Well.)

To: B4Ranch; marsh2
This was a great post by marsh2. I'm supprised she has time to freep.
 
13 posted on 02/17/2003 8:04:07 PM PST by farmfriend ( Isaiah 55:10,11)

To: marsh2
"What Caused Salmon Deaths?"

These enviroweenies, being idiots, forgot something which is very important to Salmon: Dissolved oxygen levels. Salmon (and also trout, which are salmonids) require high levels of dissolved oxygen in the water they inhabit. This oxygen is usually supplied by rapids or other such areas where water is being turned over at a high velocity. This is why trout are usually found in fast moving water. When the irrigation water in question was shut off, the rapids disappeared; hence, insufficient dissolved oxygen for the salmonids.

Any sophomore civil engineering student at a reputable university knows this....
 

14 posted on 02/17/2003 8:19:29 PM PST by yooper

To: marsh2
What caused salmon deaths?

Filleting, washing, seasoning & broiling, followed by eating...
 

15 posted on 02/17/2003 8:24:11 PM PST by mhking ("The word is no. I am therefore going anyway..." --Admiral J.T. Kirk)

To: marsh2; farmfriend; SierraWasp
Lots of good information in the article

I had a report of the meth lab dump early in this case but nothing solid. I believe by the time of the kil, Iron Gate already had enough spawners for the year. It was reported that this was the best run since around 1900. I would not rule out ELF involvement in the kill.

Something that struck me odd last Sept was the fact that a couple of Indian gill netters had already pulled up their nets before the kill. Now that may have been because they were sick of fish but...

BTW... Fish and Game may close the Mad River hatchery near Arcata for lack of funding. This hatchery is the sole fishery on the Mad River just south of the Klamath.
 

16 posted on 02/17/2003 8:25:36 PM PST by tubebender (?)

To: marsh2
How cares what causes their deaths? They taste pretty god on my Foreman grill.
 
17 posted on 02/17/2003 8:28:18 PM PST by RepubMommy

To: SierraWasp
. . . Friends of the River . . .

Friends of the River
 

18 posted on 02/17/2003 8:33:36 PM PST by Phil V.

To: HairOfTheDog
"...was this run still one of the largest recorded runs?"

Yes. See tubebender's report at #16.
 

19 posted on 02/17/2003 8:52:20 PM PST by okie01 (The Mainstream Media: IGNORANCE ON PARADE.)

To: SierraWasp; Carry_Okie
How many of those dead fish would be alive today had there been ideal oxygen level, temperature, clarity, purity and flow?

BTW . . . Anybody have a clue what the "normal" Klamath September flow used to be prior to the construction of dams in California. I KNOW that the flow in the South Fork American River in September USED TO BE a warm trickle in September.
 

20 posted on 02/17/2003 9:36:57 PM PST by Phil V.

To: SierraWasp
Apparently our favorite criminal greens, the white water thugs got a release of water for the lower Trinity the weekend before the week of the big fish kill. This water then flowed into the lower Klamath and out the ocean.

That area does not receive rain normally at that time, excess water would have opened up the closed bar at the mouth. The salmon would have thought that the rainy season was in and would have swam up river.

When the water for the Whitewater thugs was turned off. The river would return to the normal low flows trapping the fish in the lower Klamath River area. If they had stayed out in the ocean, they would have lived.

Plus what has been talked about up and down that area re the dumping of Crank Manufacturing by products into the river would have been deadly with for the trapped fish.

Immediately the Watermelon thugs, Mike Thompson the congressit who went to Cuba to sing happy birthday to his Uncle Fidel, and who went to Bahgdad to suckle at the knees of his cash cow uncle Soddomite blamed President Bush, trashed President Bush as usual. Thompson depends on the voters at Humboldt U and Davis Cal State to vote, probaly several times to keep him in office. These college students are Green Sheeple.

The flows for these rivers disappeared from the websites during this critical time. I have no idea if the data that is available now is accurate. That data could be like the lynx hairs that was planted.

The whole fiasco is a classic coverup by the criminals of Fed and California Fish and Game rats who are life long card carrying members of Green Jihadist organizations. Then they tried to blame GW for this.
 
21 posted on 02/17/2003 10:38:09 PM PST by Grampa Dave (Stamp out Freepathons! Stop being a Freep Loader! Become a monthly donor!)

To: marsh2
Thanks for posting this. At last we have some reality and not the left wing watermelon lynx hair type of story re the death of the salmon.
 
22 posted on 02/17/2003 10:40:28 PM PST by Grampa Dave (Stamp out Freepathons! Stop being a Freep Loader! Become a monthly donor!)

To: steelie
FYI!

Finally a story that backs up the potential connection of the wide open drug manufacturing along the Klamath River might have with the fish kill last September.
 
23 posted on 02/17/2003 10:43:43 PM PST by Grampa Dave (Stamp out Freepathons! Stop being a Freep Loader! Become a monthly donor!)

To: Phil V.; SierraWasp
Thanks for posting this comment: BTW . . . Anybody have a clue what the "normal" Klamath September flow used to be prior to the construction of dams in California. I KNOW that the flow in the South Fork American River in September USED TO BE a warm trickle in September.

A lot of good conservatives don't understand that the Klamath for centuries before the evil white guys came into N. Kali, had very minimal flows in the summer and the early fall. Nature protected the salmon by creating a bar at the mouth of the river that prevented the salmon from going upstream too early and being killed by low water that was too warm for salmon survival.

There is minimal if any rain in that area after Memorial Day until the fall rains begin in late September or up to late October. When these heavy fall rains come down, the water flows down the Trinity and the Klamath and out into the ocean and breaks up the bar. Then the salmon can swim upstream with plenty of water and colder water.

I think that Sierra Wasp's favorite Green thugs on our rivers the white water guys got an extra flow down the Trinity for their rafting, canoes and kayak rentals the weekend before the kill.

That extra water flowed from the Trinity into the Klamath and went into the ocean breaking up the normal summer/fall bar at the mouth of the river. That enabled the fish to swim up stream. They thought that the rainy season had started. So they went in the mouth and up the River in a few days.

Then the water flow for the White Water Rats was stopped and the fish were trapped. Low water does absorb oxygen as it is unable to rush over rocks and rapids which enables rushing water to capture the oxygen needed.

Plus the dope makers dumped their by products into the Klamath. Guides who were on the river commented about the odor that comes from these by products.

So you have fish upstream in warm warm and unoxygenated water with toxic chemicals dumped into the water by the drug makers. So the fish died.

The enviral whackos, their card carrying buddies in Fish and Game and of course Mike Thompson, buddy of his cash cow uncle Soddomite, cried that GW caused this problem by daring to allow the farmers of the Klamath to have water for their crops and livestock.
 

24 posted on 02/17/2003 10:58:40 PM PST by Grampa Dave (Stamp out Freepathons! Stop being a Freep Loader! Become a monthly donor!)

To: mhking
Filleting, washing, seasoning & broiling, followed by eating...

Washed down with a cold one.
 

25 posted on 02/17/2003 11:43:55 PM PST by farmfriend ( Isaiah 55:10,11)

To: marsh2
What caused salmon deaths?

My BBQ grill
 

26 posted on 02/17/2003 11:52:09 PM PST by ATOMIC_PUNK (An American Fellowship of Freedom loving Conservatives..... <*[[[[[><)

To: farmfriend
BTTT!!!!!!
 
27 posted on 02/18/2003 3:02:39 AM PST by E.G.C.

To: Grampa Dave
"Plus the dope makers dumped their by products into the Klamath."

Don't bite on this story. It's propaganda. The good guys are winning the argument and they, the bad guys know by throwing the dastardly drug issue into the mix they can muddy up the argument.

For years and years and years salmonoids returned to rivers in Washington and had to swim through bodies of water so polluted you could almost walk on it.

The inland river system in America until recently was used as sewer and other industrial waste dumps, yet fish survived and prospered. I do not beleive for a minute, the clandestine drug dump is the culprit.
 

28 posted on 02/18/2003 8:35:01 AM PST by bigfootbob

To: marsh2
BTTT
 
29 posted on 02/18/2003 9:02:44 AM PST by hattend

To: farmfriend
Thanks for the ping!

Be Ever Vigilant!

Be Well - Be Armed - Be Safe - Molon Labe!

Let's Roll!
 
30 posted on 02/18/2003 11:12:45 AM PST by blackie

To: marsh2
Bump!!
 
31 posted on 02/18/2003 1:21:18 PM PST by AuntB (YOUR RIGHTS STOP WHERE MY NOSE STARTS!)

To: bigfootbob
Swimming through poluted waters and surviving a caustic attack on gills are two different things.

Hey Bob, you spend a lot of time in the meth and pot areas, ever think your activities may have been filmed???
 
32 posted on 04/15/2005 12:16:11 PM PDT by TruthOnly ("Bigfoot Bob" is caught on film...)

To: TruthOnly
Perhaps. I still stand by this old post. Google "Commencement Bay pollution" and read about the caustic pollution released by the shipbuilding and the pulp & paper mills into a salmon area. I've seen it have a red tint and you could smell it for miles. The "Aroma of Tacoma". Yet salmonoids survived and prospered. I guess you know all about my political meetings too, you pathetic loser.
 
33 posted on 04/15/2005 12:46:55 PM PDT by bigfootbob

 

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